Robert Chiwamba taken to task over Takana Mathanyula

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Robert Chiwamba needs no introduction. He is one of the several performers parading themselves as poets. But this article is not about the art. Days ago he released his latest ‘poem’ which is titled ‘Takana Mathanyula’ (We say No To Homosexuality). Being in a democratic nation, where people are free and have the right to express themselves, his opinion is valued and respected. But there are several conceptual challenges one can easily observe from it. These have exposed him as an ignorant and an emotional person, who while lacking reason to back up his points, has resorted into things like threats and redundant talk. This article, using the basic language possible, will take the time to go deep into the ‘poem’ and fish out the quotes Mr. Chiwamba should have thought otherwise on.

Robert Chiwamba

Chiwamba: Takana Mathanyula hit or miss?

First Quote:  “Dzana munabwera monong’ona kudzatinyengelera kuti mwabweranso ndi kaufulu kena kokwatirana amuna kapena akazi okhaokha mwina tingakakonde. Tinakuuzani get out, uchisi sitimapanga.” (Yesterday you silently came to ask us if we may be in favor of the homosexual rights and we told you to get out. That is gross).

Response: The wrong thing here is that Mr. Chiwamba, just like several others, think that homosexual rights are being bulldozed on Malawi by some people, deliberately. They are failing to realize that it is right in our very own constitution. Everyone is entitled to freedom from discrimination, the right of association and life, among others. What the western organizations do is just to remind Malawi of its obligation to follow what is in the constitution. The thinking that these ‘White’ people have an interest in Malawi as far as this issue is concerned is very wrong. What will they gain from a not-so-well-to-do country like ours?

Second Quote: “Lero ngati sizinamveke mwabwera ndi ka Mzungu katanyamula chimtuwitsa mbali inayi nkumatiopyseza, mwati tikapanda kuvomera nyasi za ufuluzi adzanyamula chimtuwitsa chake ndipo tikhaula tigona ndi njala. Ife tikuti basop, get out. (Today you have come with the White man with his money to threaten us that if we say no to homosexuality he will take his away money and we will suffer and sleep hungry. We have said get out).

Response: Mr. Chiwamba has exposed the misconception a lot of people have towards the minority rights activists. Most of them think that they are doing it for money. Let me not entirely defend them against this accusation because I am not fully aware of their intentions. But to present the issue as if one is sure that they do it for money is wrong. They are these same activists whom we back when they are attacking the government for not delivering to us the social services. Simply because they have spoken for something we do not like, then they have turned into bad people. That sounds unfair. They are just doing their job, whether what they are doing or saying is to our favor or not. And about the white man taking his money; I have never heard any activist saying that if Malawi says no to homosexuality then the Western man will take away his aid. There has never been such kind of blackmailing from the activists’ side. They are not desperate guys to reach to that level. Mr. Chiwamba has wrongly misinterpreted their message for his gain. It will be to your interest Mr. Chiwamba that the Bible you are using to form your opinion was brought to you by this same white man you are now castigating.

Third Quote: “Tawamveni a Malawi… onse akuti mathanyula amawanyansa ngati makhololo a Nkhumba, Ndithu monga Bulu wokakamizidwa ku mtsinje tafika koma madzi wokha sitimwa madolo.” (Listen to the Malawians… they are all saying that homosexuality is gross to them like the Pig’s mucus. Like the donkey, you have taken us to the river, but guys, we will not be forced to drink the water).

Response: By using the Pig and then mucus, Mr. Chiwamba shows how emotional he is. This is what has characterised the whole anti-homosexual side. It is very emotional and lacks tangible arguments hence resorting to either violence or ugly description of the act. Another wrong mistake is when he says the activists have taken them to the river but they will not be forced to take the water. Mr. Chiwamba, the activists are not that desperate to the point of forcing you to accept homosexuality. They do not have that authority and means. All they are doing is to advance their reason on the issue and are asking you to give them yours as well. The problem is that throughout the poem, when you had the opportunity to respond to them in a convincing way, you chose to sound absurd.

Fourth Quote: “Ndithu zotiwuza kuti nchilengedwe chanu kukhala ndi chilakolako pa mwamuna kapena mkazi nzanu, kwa ntu wa Galu tatemetsa Nkhwangwa pamwala toto. Mbwelera zanu tazimva, usiru wanu tauona, makani anu atikwiitsa, taunika chirichonse choyenera kuunikidwa tapeza kuti ndi mbwelera.” (Telling us that it is natural for you to feel for a fellow man or woman; we have vehemently denied that. We have searched and found out that it is nonsense).

Response: Usually, the problem in this world is that ignorant men like Mr. Chiwamba speak louder than those in the know. Mr. Chiwamba, try to look at the scientific side of the debate and you will find out that it is possible for someone to be born a homosexual. If people are born without limbs or heads, what can fail someone to be born a homosexual? With nature, anything can happen. You cannot be saying that all these homosexuals choose to be like that. I have interacted with a few of them and they have told me how much struggle they have had to forsake their feelings for their same sex, but failed. You are talking from a vacuum. I would encourage you to step out of your comfort zone and go into the homosexual world and first experience their stories before you take time to castigate them.

Fifth Quote: “Si inu kodi munabwera pa dzana kudzatiuza titsatire democracy, ulamuliro wachigulu? Lero chigulu chikuyankhula chikuti takana mathanyula…” (Was it not you who years ago told us to follow democracy, the rule of the majority? Today the majority is saying no to homosexuality…).

Response: Mr. Chiwamba, democracy is not the rule of the majority. This is one of the weaknesses of democracy, not its definition. It should be known to you that you are using the weakness to your selfish advantage. If you are sincere about democracy, as you are claiming in this part of the ‘poem’, then you could have avoided building an argument using its weak part. Democracy, as President Abraham Lincoln of America said, is the government of the people, by the people and for the people. This summarizes it all. It is embracing than the wrong definition you have chosen to use. The government cannot always listen to the majority, otherwise a situation can turn into the tyranny of the majority. Stop being obsessed with the reasoning that since the majority is saying no then it is right.

Sixth Quote: “Choyamba mathanyula ndi tchimo lomwe Yehova, Mphambe, Ngwazi, Chiothamisi, Chilengathambo wosaodzera, Madala Madala, Kumtunda, adana nalo koopysa ndipo amatha kulanga ndi osachita nawo omwe bola ngati ali m’dzikolo.” (First, homosexuality is a sin before God and He can punish our country for it).

Response: Mr. Chiwamba, for once, be serious. With due respect to all those who fear and believe in God, do not push your belief onto others. Let not others be dragged into your relationship with Him. People again have to realize that bringing God into this debate is a vain attempt of hiding their human perceptions behind a Being who cannot come down to clear His side. For that, can we please just sort this out as human beings? Yes I understand that you use the Bible to come to this conclusion. But homosexuality is a civil matter. We are not a theocracy and we cannot use a religious book to conclude on this civil matter. Moreover, not every one of us believes in the Bible. There can be total chaos if we start using the Bible to make our national decisions. If you say it is telling you against homosexuality, it is telling you as its believer. It is not telling someone who does not believe in it. On the point of God punishing Malawi because of homosexuality; Mr. Chiwamba, as a learned man, be serious and reasonable enough.

Seventh Quote: “Mathanyula amatsutsana ndi chikwalidwe cha chi Malawi komanso cha umunthu… Kodi ngati tiribe chikwalidwe chathu, unduna wa chikhalidwe timakhala nawowu ngwachikhalidwe cha kuti, kapena ku Djibouti? Foolish!” (Homosexuality is against our culture and human nature… If you say there is no Malawian culture, then our ministry of culture is for which culture, maybe that of Djibouti? Foolish!).

Response: There you go, calling the other side of the debate and their point of view, foolish. As earlier on said, when people have exhausted all their reasoning and objectivity, that is what they resort to; personally degrading their opposite side. It is not Mr. Chiwamba only. Actually, he is the prefect representation of the anti-homosexual side. On the point of culture, it seems he was haunted after thinking about it. He knew that by talking about culture the question of the modern day dressing will rise up. Is how our girls, for example, are dressing these days, our culture? The answer is no. This is Western dressing transferred to us through the media and people who travelled. But we have come to accept it. Although Mr. Chiwamba mentioned it, he chose not to address it and quickly jumped to ask about the culture the ministry of culture represents. He did not address his own question for a reason: It is complex for him. Culture is always on the move. Today it may easily be said and accepted that “This is not our culture”, but in the next century, time and space will have changed and the same thing will be accepted as the culture. A wise person, knowing such changes in the way of life and behavior of people, will refrain from making such remarks and let the time and space define what is accepted and not accepted. So Mr. Chiwamba, be careful and wise when you are making statements regarding culture. The problem is you abandoned all your reasoning skills because you were desperate to defend your perception. This should not have been the case.

Eighth Quote: “Mathanyula ali ndi kuthekera kothetsa mtundu wa anthu a m’dziko lathu poti ana samabadwa m’menemo.” (Homosexuality has the potential to depopulate our country since in such unions no children are born).

Response: In Malawi, a country of seventeen million people, the population of homosexuals is said to be around forty thousand. For a country which is struggling to control its rapid population growth, according to Mr. Chiwamba, these forty thousand people can depopulate us. This is some top class reasoning.

Ninth Quote: “Ndiye akumadzakhalanso ndi ti mfundo tina ati zochitika pakati pa anthu akulu akulu woti agwirizana ku chipinda, zitayeni, sizikukukhudzani, Chiyani!? Bwanji mchemwali akagona ndi mchimwene wake ngakhale ali aakulu timamanga? Pachifukwa chomwechinso zitikhudza ndipo awa tiwamanga.” (They also have the point saying what happens between two consensual adults in their privacy should not be our concern. What!? Why do we arrest people when a brother and a sister have sex even though they are consenting adults? For that same reason we will also arrest the homosexuals).

Response: Mr. Chiwamba, incest, because it is done between close relations, has high chances of having the baby born with biological deformities. One reason why incest is not allowed is to protect the unborn child from such occurrences which are avoidable when one has a child with someone who is not a close relation. This is some basic knowledge which I am surprised eluded your mind.

Tenth Quote:  “Asiyileni a Malawi apange okha malamulo.” (Let Malawians make their own laws).

Response: This is a desperate expression. To his reasoning, if Malawians are going to make their own laws they will be against homosexuality. He does not care what the plight of the minority will be. All he wants is the majority to make the laws so that in the end it satisfies all his hate and perceptions.

Last Quote: “Komatu musamale mafana. Ulendo wina sadzakupititsaninsoni ku Police anta. Adzangokuthyolani Mphafa.” (But be careful boys. One day people will not take you to the Police. They will just beat you).

Response: Mr. Chiwamba, this is tantamount to hate speech. That is why this ‘poem’ of yours is not fit to be the point of reason as far as this issue is concerned. As a Christian, how can you wish someone beaten by the mob, for the mere fact of him / her practicing what you do not like? If it was Jesus Christ, the founder of your religious tradition, in his three and a half years earthly ministry, could he have opted for that? The surprising thing with this last quote is that throughout the ‘poem’ he has been using the pronoun ‘We’, meaning that he was part of the large group against the act basing on the raised points. But on this last part, where he is threatening the homosexuals to be beaten, he has used the pronoun ‘They’, meaning that he will not be part of the beating. Mr. Chiwamba, you have sounded strong and convinced throughout. How come only on this part you are sounding like a coward who is expecting others to do the dirty work for you?

With due respect to all your handwork and passion, this is not poetry. In short, you lack the poetic language and expression in it. It has also been proved that there were emotions and perceptions in your piece of work. Art should represent the higher expressions of humanity, but not in the way you have done it. You are losing the plot.

Wonderful Mkhutche is an author, a political scientist and a manuscript developer and editor

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  1. No d*ck around malawian ghetoyut anus…..mwamva eti???
    Ngati mwatopa nalo bowo la chumbuzi lanulo bola mungosekesaso osati mchira ngati bondo uzilowa kwathuku….kaya ndi ufiti enafe sitimatamba……nyelo zanu nonse ma gay komanso ka munthu kopusa iwe ngati akulipira akupwetekesa…….muzinyengana ndi agalu

  2. some of these creatures need to be burnt alive…. Ma journalist antundu wanji inu, ife u got somethng personal against chiwamba this is not the right way to deal with it coz apa ukungozionexa uchitsilu n childshness yako…. Chiwamba is mediator he speaks for us… And communicates to us in the language we all understand… Osati zopusa mukunenazi

  3. some of these creatures need to be burnt alive…. Ma journalist antundu wanji inu, ife u got somethng personal against chiwamba this is not the right way to deal with it coz apa ukungozionexa uchitsilu n childshness yako…. Chiwamba is mediator he speaks for us… And communicates to us in the language we all understand… Osati zopusa mukunenazi

  4. Iwe Chiwamba ndiwe dolo, zaudolo wako aliyense akudziwa, umalemba izizi iwe ndiwe chitsiru cha galu kmanso munthu wadyela amene ukufuna udyepo,ndiwe chitsiru km naa uyu ekha wakwanila pa dolo galu iwe umalemba zimenezi

  5. The Bible consistently tells us that homosexual activity is a sin (Genesis 19:1-13 ; Leviticus 18:22 ; 20:13 ; Romans 1:26-27 ; 1 Corinthians 6:9 ). Romans 1:26-27 teaches specifically that homosexuality is a result of denying and disobeying God. When people continue in sin and unbelief, God “gives them over” to even more wicked and depraved sin in order to show them the futility and hopelessness of life apart from God. 1 Corinthians 6:9 proclaims that homosexual “offenders” will not inherit the kingdom of God. God does not create a person with homosexual desires. The Bible tells us that people become homosexuals because of sin (Romans 1:24-27 ) and ultimately because of their own choice. A person may be born with a greater susceptibility to homosexuality, just as some people are born with a tendency to violence and other sins. That does not excuse the person’s choosing to sin by giving in to sinful desires. If a person is born with a greater susceptibility to anger/rage, does that make it right for him to give into those desires? Of course not! The same is true with homosexuality.

  6. The Bible consistently tells us that
    homosexual activity is a sin (Genesis 19:1-13 ;
    Leviticus 18:22 ; 20:13 ; Romans 1:26-27 ; 1
    Corinthians 6:9 ). Romans 1:26-27 teaches
    specifically that homosexuality is a result of
    denying and disobeying God. When people
    continue in sin and unbelief, God “gives them
    over” to even more wicked and depraved sin in
    order to show them the futility and
    hopelessness of life apart from God. 1
    Corinthians 6:9 proclaims that homosexual
    “offenders” will not inherit the kingdom of
    God.
    God does not create a person with homosexual
    desires. The Bible tells us that people become
    homosexuals because of sin (Romans 1:24-27 )
    and ultimately because of their own choice. A
    person may be born with a greater
    susceptibility to homosexuality, just as some
    people are born with a tendency to violence
    and other sins. That does not excuse the
    person’s choosing to sin by giving in to sinful
    desires. If a person is born with a greater
    susceptibility to anger/rage, does that make it
    right for him to give into those desires? Of
    course not! The same is true with
    homosexuality.

    Chiwamba is right in accordance to the Biblical teachings. If hormosexual was/is right then why do those who practice it hides themselves in a shell? If you don’t know this thing is aimed at maintaning the population. These people are agents of the devil.

  7. Mavuto amakhala mpang’ono kuphinzira kulemba eeti nzanuyo ali ndi degree n safuna za usiru akuthira show mbuzi iwe ife takana mathanyula

  8. Go to hell, wth ur useless analylisis, ur education has made u to be aprofesional ignorant. Uzafa imfa yowawa ngati sodom ndi gomora

  9. A Malawi 24 u r fools to say…… Mukubhakila homosexuality? U fake political analyst and bustards must go and make a gay country of ur own

  10. iwe umalemba ndiwemso manyi ako wamva?
    ngat akukgula akupweteketsa,njhani zikasowa bwanj kumakahonana nd nkaz wako?
    musayeserenso kumupha ngat chasowa mukhsla mmadz coz muli kale nd mbiri zonyasa munthu kutsutsa chinthu chonyasa inu mukit guilty,r u mad?
    FUCK UUUUUUUUU!”!

  11. Iiiih ma jounarists!! Ife toto za uve zanazo. Go to hell with those stupt and idiots who encouragies mathanyula. They a doing this they like mbuzi, azigogo awo mbuzi,azakhali awoxo akhuta mbuzi. They do this coz akhuta mbuzi!!! No way mathanyula. Akadakwatilana abambo anu aja ndi akulu awo mukanakhala kti?? Mulung akhale opanda zeru kulenga ma banja nkazi ndi mwamuna?? Ndinudi zitsilu coz its only fool who can do this. We strongly oppose this. Inu ma N.G.O enanuso or mutamapita kwanu we dont care. God wil help us!! You devils. TAKANA MATHUNYULA!! Go on Chiwamba!!!!

  12. Iiiih ma jounarists!! Ife toto za uve zanazo. Go to hell with those stupt and idiots who encouragies mathanyula. They a doing this they like mbuzi, azigogo awo mbuzi,azakhali awoxo akhuta mbuzi. They do this coz akhuta mbuzi!!! No way mathanyula. Akadakwatilana abambo anu aja ndi akulu awo mukanakhala kti?? Mulung akhale opanda zeru kulenga ma banja nkazi ndi mwamuna?? Ndinudi zitsilu coz its only fool who can do this. We strongly oppose this. Inu ma N.G.O enanuso or mutamapita kwanu we dont care. God wil help us!! You devils. TAKANA MATHUNYULA!! Go on Chiwamba!!!!

  13. Keep it up Robert, I’m disappointed with Malawi24. If it is because of poverty that u r writing this and u want them to share u there dirty money shame on u.

  14. Mukupanga nzonyasa heavy,munthu wazuzula khalidwe lonyasa mukut walakwa WHY?
    PANGANI ZANU, bola musamuphe ngat chasowa coz muli ndi mbiri zokupha agalu inuuuuu

  15. Iwe ukuti ndiwe editer & political scientist usatinamizepo apa . U just want 2 put bad image 2 mr chiwamba! Kufuna kutchuka basi ! Management ya Malawi24 simuziwa ntchito dats y we r having dis nonsense post! Chiwamba advocates de reality on de ground, mukufuna amangidwe nde musangalale et! Zitsiru

  16. I always appriciate the exisitence of malawi24 koz u expose ur ignorance and foolishness and u r not a help to this country but a disgrace. watch out ur posts one day same people who are helping and encouraging u to be posting confusion to this country will embarass u in public

  17. Akanganya Inu Pamozi Ndi Page Yanuyi Mwandikwana Hvy Ndinkhani Zanu ,bwanji Mukumafuna Kudzetsa Mipatuko Pakati Pamalawi Mbuli Inu Ndipo Mulibe Upangili Wautolankhani Ndakuonani Tsiku Lina Page Imenei Ndizaipanga DELETE. Shupt zambuyanu nonse Chiwamba Kungosowa Nanunso Akanganya Inu Ndizakusowetsan

  18. Olo munthu atalingosola bwanji zama ufulu koma ngati analesa palibe kuchitila mwina kusavomeleza nyasizo. kodi amene mukususana ndi chiwambanu ndiye kuti mipingo yanu imavomeleza? u r stupid

  19. Olo munthu atalingosola bwanji zama ufulu koma ngati analesa palibe kuchitila mwina kusavomeleza nyasizo. kodi amene mukususana ndi chiwambanu ndiye kuti mipingo yanu imavomeleza? u r stupid

  20. https://malawi24.com/ if u were on a campaign tour, now u see u r too far to convince malawi of mathanyula. dzinyenganani ife amatikwanila nkazi. The poet is right! Evil Spirit in you! B Deliverd in the Mighty name of JESUS!

  21. Journalist?Zolemba zopusa ngti zimenezi.Osangonena bwanji kuti You are in support of this nyasi galu iwe.Pamtumbo pako kwabasibasi.Am not speaking this as a christiian but in my own capacity.

  22. Journalist?Zolemba zopusa ngti zimenezi.Osangonena bwanji kuti You are in support of this nyasi galu iwe.Pamtumbo pako kwabasibasi.Am not speaking this as a christiian but in my own capacity.

  23. A Wonderful Mkhuche, Kodi amayi anu ndi amuna??

    SHAMEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    God is watching you.

  24. “Komatu musamale mafana. Ulendo
    wina sadzakupititsaninsoni ku Police anta.
    Adzangokuthyolani Mphafa.”
    Mudzafa imfa yowawa …..
    malawi 24 mwandikhumudwitsa mwamva

  25. Okhulupirila zenizeni adziwika ine angofuna kupanga ndalama ndikutchuka koma mtima ulikomweko amuna ngati Loti akudziwa kupewa zimenezi

  26. Malawi 24 has owez been for homosexuality,,the tym that fucken envoy came u could see the excitement in thier updates kaya amaona ngati aloleza ndekunali govt is seemingly about to give in to homo…they cd update every second abt it,,,u r the worst eva,,i like this page just becoz u r so fast in running in with halfbaked stories,,so u r like a tip to me nde ndimafufuzano ndekha chilungamo chake

  27. Very stupid for u Malawi24 from today i hate ur articles. U seem nt to be true malawians wid ur stupid back ups. Gulu lake ndi la ine omwe mukumapasidwa kenakake kt muzilankhula zoputsa or else walemba dala cholinga amathanyulao akaona akuninkhe kenakake wauponda and machende ako

  28. #malawi 24 simdzatheka, kkkkkkkkkk. I thought he z under fire by a renown group. I didn’t know its a bullshit from you, hahahahaha.

  29. Do we have Christian at Malawi 24 remember why & hw Sodom was destroyed by God soon the world will be ashes because of this sins he is the same Lord and he keeps his words.fear God don’t support evil acts

  30. Indeed the title and the content of the story differs,,I thought he z under attack… Bushit mw24….Chiwamba,,,,takana mathanyula bax

  31. No comment on the article, but I Wonderful Mkhuche being aperson we enrolled same year at University While Chiwamba is my current neighbour in Karonga.I will chat with him.

  32. kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk shame to you, journalist of Mw 24! palibe wakuiklsni kumbuyo! even ana anu sangakondwe nazo ngakhale azkazi anu,,,u r just greedy for money! @ kulemba muchichewa then mu English makapest of the kapezi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  33. kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk shame to you, journalist of Mw 24! palibe wakuiklsni kumbuyo! even ana anu sangakondwe nazo ngakhale azkazi anu,,,u r just greedy for money! @ kulemba muchichewa then mu English makapest of the kapezi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  34. Jon write urs whch wll oppose Chiwambas’, u seem to have somethng in ur BIG head over chiwambas’ poem.Unakakhawa u could composed urs in first place not kukhara ndikuma chonga zanzako. AKUGURA ETI?. “CHIWAMBA, i fll u keep it up”

  35. Jon write urs whch wll oppose Chiwambas’, u seem to have somethng in ur BIG head over chiwambas’ poem.Unakakhawa u could composed urs in first place not kukhara ndikuma chonga zanzako. AKUGURA ETI?. “CHIWAMBA, i fll u keep it up”

  36. HOLY GHOST FIRE!!! Leviticus 20 verse 13 says: ” If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They have to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. M’mchichewa, Levitiko Mutu 20 ndime yake ya 13 Akunenetsa kuti: ” Munthu akagonana ndi mwamuna mnzache, monga amagonana ndi mkazi, achita chonyansa onse awiri: awaphe ndithu; mwazi wawo ukhale pamutu pawo.”

  37. HOLY GHOST FIRE!!! Leviticus 20 verse 13 says: ” If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They have to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. M’mchichewa, Levitiko Mutu 20 ndime yake ya 13 Akunenetsa kuti: ” Munthu akagonana ndi mwamuna mnzache, monga amagonana ndi mkazi, achita chonyansa onse awiri: awaphe ndithu; mwazi wawo ukhale pamutu pawo.”

  38. Journalism by chance not by choice.Amalawi ambiri sakuyenera kugwira ntchito zolemba nkhani koma poti mmati education is the key to success thts y kuli malawi24,mchere wake nayeso mlembiyo msiyeni kuli ufulu paja

  39. u are trying to be a so called jonalist hero on top of chiwamba…..i bet u wont mek it……. dc is the up coming chiwambaz poem tittle* Mbuzi za mano pa ntunda AKA Majonalist a Mw 24.”

  40. u are trying to be a so called jonalist hero on top of chiwamba…..i bet u wont mek it……. dc is the up coming chiwambaz poem tittle* Mbuzi za mano pa ntunda AKA Majonalist a Mw 24.”

  41. It has really shown that Malawi 24 journalists are in support of homosexuality. Chiwamba has educated Malawi thru his poems. We even see no any trouble to chiwamba. Iwe chiwamba ndi dhilu ndipo umenyeso ina yowathira show a Malawi 24.

  42. who analysed the poem? does he really know how to analyse literature? anaphunzira kuti literature yake ameneyu?

    if there is English literature teacher here….. can you give him/her marks please…. I have given him/her 0%. please just leave this poem to the poetry people……

  43. Mr author! you are out of context and emotional, based you have violated the law of literature analysis, art analysis, freedom of expression, the law of nature, the law of consistence and the law of contrast because of your visible support for the practice (being a gay, lesbian or bisexual etc) Science doesnt show or prove that a human being is normal as a gay or lesbian meaning the practice can also be described as a disease. Are we supposed to have a constitutional provision for a disease? The only difference between madness and this practice is that a person can hurt other people may be thats why we refer them to mental hospitals while this practice of being a gay or lesbian etc doesnt hurt other but still it remains a disease to be treated. I beg to differ, i don’t buy the idea that lack of awareness is what is blinding Anti gay or lesbian group of people, the philosophy that “it is normal else where” is not the right basis from which the gay or lesbian advocates are operating. Malawi is not else where. Now on the spiritual and cultural fronts, the practice doesn’t exist as normal acording to Malawians. Why are you trying to normalise what is abnormal in the eyes of Malawians? Democracy? Education?ooo you are in Error, Common Sense is not common, there are times we employ the uncommon sense but not on this issue, Don’t use the so called education to violate the law of existence and humanity on the basis of documented knowledge that you have been taking in. There is wisdom that has never been documented and will never be documented but useful when reasoning, thats the beauty of man’s ability.
    Get out of a white man’s box and reason like a human being and use your enlightment u got from the walls of colleges.

  44. Mr author! you are out of context and emotional, based you have violated the law of literature analysis, art analysis, freedom of expression, the law of nature, the law of consistence and the law of contrast because of your visible support for the practice (being a gay, lesbian or bisexual etc) Science doesnt show or prove that a human being is normal as a gay or lesbian meaning the practice can also be described as a disease. Are we supposed to have a constitutional provision for a disease? The only difference between madness and this practice is that a person can hurt other people may be thats why we refer them to mental hospitals while this practice of being a gay or lesbian etc doesnt hurt other but still it remains a disease to be treated. I beg to differ, i don’t buy the idea that lack of awareness is what is blinding Anti gay or lesbian group of people, the philosophy that “it is normal else where” is not the right basis from which the gay or lesbian advocates are operating. Malawi is not else where. Now on the spiritual and cultural fronts, the practice doesn’t exist as normal acording to Malawians. Why are you trying to normalise what is abnormal in the eyes of Malawians? Democracy? Education?ooo you are in Error, Common Sense is not common, there are times we employ the uncommon sense but not on this issue, Don’t use the so called education to violate the law of existence and humanity on the basis of documented knowledge that you have been taking in. There is wisdom that has never been documented and will never be documented but useful when reasoning, thats the beauty of man’s ability.
    Get out of a white man’s box and reason like a human being and use your enlightment u got from the walls of colleges.

  45. Mr author! you are out of context and emotional, based you have violated the law of literature analysis, art analysis, freedom of expression, the law of nature, the law of consistence and the law of contrast because of your visible support for the practice (being a gay, lesbian or bisexual etc) Science doesnt show or prove that a human being is normal as a gay or lesbian meaning the practice can also be described as a disease. Are we supposed to have a constitutional provision for a disease? The only difference between madness and this practice is that a person can hurt other people may be thats why we refer them to mental hospitals while this practice of being a gay or lesbian etc doesnt hurt other but still it remains a disease to be treated. I beg to differ, i don’t buy the idea that lack of awareness is what is blinding Anti gay or lesbian group of people, the philosophy that “it is normal else where” is not the right basis from which the gay or lesbian advocates are operating. Malawi is not else where. Now on the spiritual and cultural fronts, the practice doesn’t exist as normal acording to Malawians. Why are you trying to normalise what is abnormal in the eyes of Malawians? Democracy? Education?ooo you are in Error, Common Sense is not common, there are times we employ the uncommon sense but not on this issue, Don’t use the so called education to violate the law of existence and humanity on the basis of documented knowledge that you have been taking in. There is wisdom that has never been documented and will never be documented but useful when reasoning, thats the beauty of man’s ability.
    Get out of a white man’s box and reason like a human being and use your enlightment u got from the walls of colleges.

  46. Mtolankhani walemba nkhaniyi ndi Chitsilu kwambili he or she is lucking propagandas,Poor journalist with ur unfished story

  47. IFE TAKANA MATHANYULA… Robert dd nothing wrong.. SHAME ON YOU.. if you have nothing sensible to write just go sleep kwanuko.. ARE YOU NOT HAVING A WIFE, DID THE MAJORITY OF MALAWIANS TELL YOU THAT THEY HATED THE POEM…. ppo like you need some more sense pumped into your heads

  48. Every report should be based on facts, verified information & valid proofs..should be straight forward, honest description , no lies, no deception & no fluff and has a title n sub title..therefore ur reporting is lucking logical flow of ideas & its out of context!!

  49. As africans, AMALAWIANS we dont care about who are you! even your ‘e the whites just leave us alone pliz!we have to play our on laws as black people! we dont need your blood money! go eat with your white as well! HOLLY GHOST FIRE!!!! SHAMELESS PEOPLE!!

  50. mukumva bwanj agalu inu?mukuishosha dala eti,muziphuzulidwa apa mpang’ono!muzigona so near to fire ok.tye nawoni madolo komanso bola angoleka mbola zawoz,azkapanga maganyu ena.

  51. This really shows how unprofesional malawi 24 journalists are. This is not journalist writing….it also shows that the analyst of this article ndi MATHANYULA….Chiwamba’s points are simple, clear and straight forward…..the analyst is the one who is emotions..uneducated with no point of reasoning………this article has forest of words but a desert of points……….special respect to Chiwamba…..keep it up broh……..interpretation of chiwamba’s sentences were based on word by word….i mean that the analyst was thinking in chichewa and writing in English………..Malawi 24 yakhalano Malawi 12…….

  52. Govt shud come open to tell these dogs that there is NO space for them to do homos in Malawi, this silence wil soon lead to take the law in their hands to deal with these inhuman acts. So Govt ! come out & address this issue once & for all! otherwise u will hear these people will start discriminated & even chased out of the community.

  53. uku ndea timati kuchuluka nzeru pamalo osayenera kufasa ndinthu kumalemba zopepera ngat zimenezo ngat umasowa cholemba ukanangokhala basi a thing is chiwamba he is trying to deliver the message in da way that aliyese amvesese da fact that iweyo unafasa kumalemba zakozo dat simply mean uthenga wamveka,,

  54. Ndithu wonder mkutche pantumbo pako iyeyo anakulembela poimu ngati katata kuti udzimuyankha kapena nawe achina ntumbo akutuma olo utalemba english akuti agaluwo awelenge kuti udyenawo ukanama kaya uzipanga iweyo zako ife takanabe manthanyula pantumbo pako komaliza pamodzi omenyela ufuluwo

  55. This is SHIT….kupusa kotheratu…mxiiiiiiiieeeew….mathanyula akatheka,muonetsetsenso zoti chamba chidzilimidwanso mdziko muno

  56. A so illiterate author/editor of malawi24. It is such a disgrace to attack an innocent man who is marely passing out a massage of multitudes of people that are voiceless. I deeply understand your hypocricy…of posing like a man yet theres a vulnerable woman inside you…shame to the woman you married for she is just a sign post you use to shield yourself from public disgrace. Big up Robert…Malawi is behind you including our incoming gvt of the youth…mm

  57. when we say the constitution reflects the national character, we don’t mean everyone agrees to it. But if few people don’t agree to it like what you call ‘minority’, it doesn’t mean the law should not be applied just because some mad people don’t agree to it. This is what Chiwamba is advocating, No To Homosexuals. Muzafa imfa yowawa

  58. iwe akuti Mkhutche kaya kuti Nkute ukukamba zamisala apa,Ciwamba mo fire takana mathanyula basi,write ur own piece against this and see who’ll support it,ur busy fighting defenders of constitution instead of fighting amendment of the law,do not use the back door u homos and lesbians,wake up in ur slumber!

  59. After read these comments both the writer and the management of News24 must sit down and think again.Whether you are a human rights fighter,or you do that for money why do you pretend as you dont know that mathanyula is unacceptable? Look here instead of defaming Chiwamba you have helped him to gain popularity.You know this statement since you are wise than me but let me remind you that “A BANNED OR A HIGHLY CRITICISED MATERIAL GAIN MORE PUBLICATION” as this theory says am going to find it to see what has disapointed News24

  60. Nzeru mulibe chiwamba walakwa chani apa bwanji kulimbana ndinjala osati zopusazi takana mathanyula ife amalawi mulemelele zopusa mulungu adzakulandani ndithu

  61. Robert Has Freedom Of Speaking What Is Right 2him & What Is Bad & He Is Speaking 2 Us All We Opose This Bad Practice . Free Him As U Freed Msonda Koma “Akadavomera Ndie Kumusiya” Mulungu Akulangen Ndi Maufulu Anu Onunkhao Mma Ofesi Anu A MHRC Wo Ine Or Ntchito Zitasowa Chotan Na Uku Kokha Sindingagwileko Ndizikavomereza Zopusa Coz Of Money? As If Iwere Born 2 Man To Man?

  62. Yah Fen Walani I thing my message will go fast through u pls tell ur teacher that he/she is a stupid on addition mapwala ake that iz my message not ur message

  63. By just forcing the idea of GOD out of the debate you have shown me who you are (a fool)
    i side with Chiwamba

  64. nde fodyayo !! ngati omwe akuyambitsa nkhaniyi wakwatira kapena kukwatiwa ndi mamuna kapena nkazi nzake Robert ali ndi mlandu koma ngati sichoncho kumalawi kungobwera Bokho haram dziko lithe basi!!!

  65. come on malawi24 .the author didnt study leterature and doesnt kno that what he said is against freedom of expression.the grave mistake was picking the writer instead of the persona of the poem.the ‘we’ in the poem mr author and your fucking political science doesnt represent the writer.’we’ as first person narrator in poem represent the persona of the title.’ndidzakutengera kunyanja Riginate’ this is a quote from Okomaatani Malunga’s poem.but is mr Malunga in love with any girl named Riginate?MAFUNYETA in his songs he had a persona called MALULI.what ever maluli does in a song doesnt represent the direct view of patrick magalasi.the work of arts mr author is different with columns where you express your view.the song and poem has what we call ‘audiance’.if your poem targets unmarried youth you choose diction suitable for youths.in ths case iam made to believe mr chiwamba my have targeted someone in the rural area who may not understand sofisicated knowledge.so he choose a persona as uneducated them

  66. Page ino ndiyazitsiru zokhazokha ndipo sindidziwa kuti ndichifukwa chani ndinapanga like page ya masatanist ngat iyi ndithu ndimayesetsa kupanga unlike koma chimangobwerabe pa news feed yanga. Mulibe munthu amene anapitako kuschool mokwanira coz as far as i know page imakhala ndi ma editor koma iyi nde ndi zero nkhani zimene mumakamba zopanda tsogolo ndizopanda nzeru kuteroku umaona ngat ife tikusapota ndiwe chitsiru,ka fame seeker iwe musiye chiwamba zake zinayera kale

  67. NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT THE AUTHOR OF THIS ARTICLE IS AFTER
    KUTCHUKA NDE ZIKUVUTATU AIXE
    WHY PROMOTING ZINTHU ZONYASA ?

  68. Wolembayu kaya mukuti ndi wonderful mukhute ai ndithu palibe nzeru. Iye akulimbana ndi chiwamba koma sakuziwa kuti tonsefe tili kumbuyo kwa chiwamba,

  69. NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT AUTHOR OF THIS ARTICLE IS AFTER
    KUTCHUKA NDE ZIKUVUTATU AIXE
    WHY PROMOTING ZINTHU ZONYASA ?

  70. NDE ZAUCHITSIRU….. The #poem is for Christians….only those who believe the HOLLY BIBLE…not people like you…….don’t you know that its an #arbomination……

  71. Mr/Mrs wonderful we dont care about hw educated u r according to ur point u sound like gay, but only one thing u must know here in malawi we dont want dogz like u (gayz) we r not ur type go to america iz where u wanna find mathanyula like u mapwala ako wamva if u r serious in box ndikutukwana zenizeni

  72. Amalawi 24 mwalowera zopusa.olembayi kodi alindi mkazi kapena bambo ake amkakwerana ndi abambo anzawo kuti abadwe iyeyu?

  73. This is one hell of a stupid writing I’ve ever read my entire life from a professional journalist. Let me ask you a question Mr whatever, If I have a problem with my penis erection, it simply means I am a minority because most of you have yours working properly, now, would you advocate for that? Or if I have the urge to fuck non humans like goats or whatever, would you fight for my rights to be granted? Homosexuality is an abnormality that need some kind of therapy..

  74. I keep on saying those people who attended journalism at MIJ are a big disgrace in as far as journalism is concerned. You want to teach us what to do. that guy is indeed the most popular in Malawi,, if he fucked your galfrnd then just know that he still holds those gal snatching lyrics,,, hate or love he is above you. He was at chanco n you were at MIJ,,, you scored 30 points at your secondary school but he got below 15 n he is still banging the net,,, he is not even shaken

  75. Bottom line, the author of the article is a deep rooted gay. How can he take his time to argue against the Obvious truth by CHIWAMBA in his poem? The article has left me questining the sanity of this author.

  76. are you a malawian? do you read the papers? do you follow current affairs? which school did you do to? mmutu mwako muli cha? kwanu nku? leave that graduate alone!! in fact his reasoning which you’re calling ‘faulty’ is a top notch compared to the nonsense you’ve written here. may the good Lord forgive you.

  77. Wonderful ndi galu mmodzi wamathanyula Chiwamba simathanyula chifukwa chake akutiuza ife aMalawi iweyo si Malawi zipita kwanu galu wachabe chabe

  78. Mr Wonderful Nkhutche you mean you are criticising Chiwamba because of this poetry? Then you are wrong Chiwamba is right this white people want to force us into homosexuality because when Aunt Tiwo did the same and we abandoned them they banned Malawi from international funds during Bingu’s rein and now they are coming again what do they want? They want to exchange us with money! Malawi24 please make sure you write something sensible and we want you to inform us reasonable stories not like this rubish! Maybe Mr Wonderful has taken some money from stupid gays who are fighting rights for themselves?Please Malawi24 do not continue with this malpractice!

  79. What is the view side of Chiwamba? R u a professional journalist or just a mere writer good at painting a story and then jotting down everything u are having in ur mind? Chonde tamalembaniko zogwila mtima.

  80. What is the view side of Chiwamba? R u a professional journalist or just a mere writer good at painting a story and then jotting down everything u are having in ur mind? Chonde tamalembaniko zogwila mtima.

  81. No! Give us stories or poems, and hear our comments.
    Mr Chiwamba has just expressed one of his rights,, and it is from his point of view,, not a fact.
    No one should look wise on other people’s opinions,, why can’t you bring out yours?
    This is a very dangerous behavior, because you just stand somewhere waiting for one to make a mistake, and add fire to the flame should it start burning.
    I support him.
    #NoToHomo.

  82. No! Give us stories or poems, and hear our comments.
    Mr Chiwamba has just expressed one of his rights,, and it is from his point of view,, not a fact.
    No one should look wise on other people’s opinions,, why can’t you bring out yours?
    This is a very dangerous behavior, because you just stand somewhere waiting for one to make a mistake, and add fire to the flame should it start burning.
    I support him.
    #NoToHomo.

  83. Inu simutha kulemba, mupitenso ku school,,,,,which little trouble here? And how did you measure the gravity of the trouble? You are grooming youselves into smart fools guys

  84. tsopano ukulembapo zichani zanzeru pamenepa. Robert ndi DEAL, ife takana mathanyula. And amene you are promoting this mudzafa imfa yowawa.

  85. I’d have loved if the writer of the article in critique of the ‘poem’ made his arguments against the persona and not Robert Chiwamba. By repeatedly using the name Chiwamba in the article, the writer of the article has directly attacked Robert Chiwamba the person, which is so wrong. In critiquing a work of art, its not right to criticize the writer/artist/poet/novelist/playwright. Rather, critique the voice in the work of art. And in my opinion, poets play an oversight role. They are a voice for the voiceless. So the persona in the poem, from the quotations in the article is speaking for the majority of Malawians, who as it seems from the poem itself, are vehemently against homosexuality. And, in no way is Chiwamba in ‘little’ trouble.

  86. It’s stupid kudana ndi poem ya chiwamba and u,anti-chiwambas like malawi24 bcareful with ur senseless articles that r supporting mathanyura.if u’r one of the eating zimabazi for hollifying sodomity ooooh God is watching,bola kufa ndi umphawi than kumadya ndalama zakugehenazo.Foolish!

  87. Living in a desperate age that is full of critical illness. Their influence is too great to rot the whole nation/world. I can see those who hold morals and are of rare integrity falling.

  88. What i’ve seen here is that, the CRAZY,INSANE,MAD,SENSELESS,SICKMINDED is the one replying this poem of agenius,and you are afirst Devil’s cousin and you can sell your kids for luxury life.

  89. These minority group are not physically deformed, they are sick in their head. It requires sane people to heal them. A mad person thinks he is normal and if you find yourself accepting “misala” to be normal count yourself a perfect candidate for Zomba Mental Hospital. Many sick people around that needs force to take medicine to be healed, they need force because they don’t know they are sick.

  90. This is absolutely brilliant. Just about all the ‘arguments’, if one call them that, from the anti-homosexuality side are characterized by Chiwamba’s embarrassingly low level of literacy. Actually, with all due respect to Chiwamba, I doubt if he will be able to follow the arguments and concepts in this article.

  91. Alibho ndilo this has been writen coz u ppo are scared! You kn aftr o that it is not right, if your mothr married her bestfriend were you going to write and say chiwamba is ignorant? Coz am sure you were not going to be in this world

  92. Alibho ndilo this has been writen coz u ppo are scared! You kn aftr o that it is not right, if your mothr married her bestfriend were you going to write and say chiwamba is ignorant? Coz am sure you were not going to be in this world

  93. Ngati kuli mbuzi zidzete zindele ndie ndinu a Malawi24 coz mumalemba nkhani zopanda tanthauzo mkomwe mayb its bcoz aMACRA xakadziwa ka so-called malawi24 onlinenewspaper else akanakatxeka kalekale. Pomaliza staff yoxe yaku Malawi24 ndingoti mmaxo mothinamo and’xo pamsana panu miti ngati ziboliboli.

  94. Ngati kuli mbuzi zidzete zindele ndie ndinu a Malawi24 coz mumalemba nkhani zopanda tanthauzo mkomwe mayb its bcoz aMACRA xakadziwa ka so-called malawi24 onlinenewspaper else akanakatxeka kalekale. Pomaliza staff yoxe yaku Malawi24 ndingoti mmaxo mothinamo and’xo pamsana panu miti ngati ziboliboli.

  95. ZILIBWINO, UKUNGOPANGITSA KUTI MR.CHIWAMBA ACTHUKEPO PADZIKO LINO BASI PITILIZANI KUMUTCHUKITSAKO NDIZOMWE TIKUFUNA.KOMA PALIBE CHIMENE WALEMBA APA

  96. I do understand that every human has to enjoy human rights, and that includes not being discriminated. I must confess that I will remain guilty of discrimination against LGBTI.

  97. Zingayambe kuyiwalika China inapereka 6million US $ yoti boma ligulire chimanga koma mpaka pano palibe chomwe atiudza they want us to die kenako athandize? Mhhh zilowanso ndaretu izi aMalawi mukurekerera cashgate apa mkumalongosora za Chiwamba uku zambili zikuvaya tamachenjerani almost 6billion kwacha yanu aMalawi bt muli ziii mxiiiew

  98. This is one of the useless articles… Read again in political about the definition of democracy… Nature does not support homosexuality at all… Aquinas argues that “just look at the organs and their function”; thereafter we can argue if anyone is interested….

    • What is natural is not what is humanly acceptable. Even animals have same-sex relations. If it wasn’t natural then why do animals do it?

    • “Which animals have same sex relations Chifundo Kasiya?” Google it… “So u have stooped so low to compare humans with animals? My foot!” first of all, humans ARE animals. Secondly, I have not compared humans to animals but only pointed out that it is false to think nature does not support homosexuality because if animals can engage is same-sex relations then it seems nature has something to do with it. And as humans we are a part of nature. I don’t know if you get what I am saying now

    • “Which animals have same sex relations Chifundo Kasiya?” Google it… “So u have stooped so low to compare humans with animals? My foot!” first of all, humans ARE animals. Secondly, I have not compared humans to animals but only pointed out that it is false to think nature does not support homosexuality because if animals can engage is same-sex relations then it seems nature has something to do with it. And as humans we are a part of nature. I don’t know if you get what I am saying now

    • @chifundo, how do you expect someone to understand your insanity. You need healing in your head. You are a shame or someone obsessed with homosexuality ideas corrupted your weak mind and started to believe him.

    • Perhaps you have an idea of why I did that, Franklin. If I was to explain myself I’d say I know humans are animals but used to calling anything other than humans or plants animals…

    • Perhaps you have an idea of why I did that, Franklin. If I was to explain myself I’d say I know humans are animals but used to calling anything other than humans or plants animals…

    • I won’t respond to anyone hurling insults. The poster of the comment asked for arguments and I love to argue (which uses reason) not insult each other. For those who want insults, chabwino, mwawina and I accept I am whatever you calling me…

    • I won’t respond to anyone hurling insults. The poster of the comment asked for arguments and I love to argue (which uses reason) not insult each other. For those who want insults, chabwino, mwawina and I accept I am whatever you calling me…

    • yes u ar vrry stpd,,,, bwanji ukuti tipange google tipeza yankho…osatiuza kuti tikawerenge bible tikapeza yankho? vrry stupid boy,, even the animal u r tkng about mulungu analenga chachimuna& chachikazi….who ar u boy?

    • yes u ar vrry stpd,,,, bwanji ukuti tipange google tipeza yankho…osatiuza kuti tikawerenge bible tikapeza yankho? vrry stupid boy,, even the animal u r tkng about mulungu analenga chachimuna& chachikazi….who ar u boy?

    • A thing’s nature is not something readily apparent on the thing’s surface. A special intellectual effort is required to grasp the concept of nature and to understand it in its full meaning. “The natural is perceived as opposed to the artificial. It is what is free from human effort, what comes into being and run its course without benefit of man’s assistance or influence”. @ Chifundo

    • A thing’s nature is not something readily apparent on the thing’s surface. A special intellectual effort is required to grasp the concept of nature and to understand it in its full meaning. “The natural is perceived as opposed to the artificial. It is what is free from human effort, what comes into being and run its course without benefit of man’s assistance or influence”. @ Chifundo

    • Chifundo Kasiya, looking at your first response to my argument hope you understood the point I made about nature… in addition natural functions of the human organs. If you didnt understand then you got it wrong… tell me what is the natural functions of the eye, ear, tongue, hands, legs and private parts?

    • You said “Nature does not support homosexuality at all”… well, I am wandering… If it didn’t support it at all then how can homosexual behaviour be found in wild by animals that are free from human intervention?

      Wouldn’t nature have “told” them an anus is just for pooping and penis must always go into the vagina or “tell” them sex-same relations are a no no?…

      Listen, I will answer your questions but I expect mine to be answered.

      Human organs serve numerous functions. An organ can have multiple functions such as for urination, sex, birth etc… Some might have one function and others might not. Anyway, what is your point on this? Because I think your argument does not even leave the ground on the first premise…

    • Yes I did…. Pliz dont be mistaken with tamed and wild animals… what evidence do you have that wild animals do engage in homosexuality…?

    • Atleast I have given you the definition of what nature is, so example of animals that not valid reasons to in this case of homosexuality… sub-human animal are far behind human beings. sub-human beings are limited in knowledge as to be compared with human beings. yes at the sense level we share the same knowledge with them but at the level of intellect we surpass them.

    • “what evidence do you have that wild animals do engage in homosexuality.. .?” the internet is full of videos and articles of bonobo chimps doing it male on female, male on male and female on female. That nature doesn’t support homosexuality at all is an argument that doesn’t get off the ground. Homosexual behaviour is there in nature where humans can’t affect it. My question to you, that you are not answering, is: if homosexuallity is not supported at all by nature, as you claim, how come animals in the wild engage in homosexual behaviour if it is not natural?

    • “what evidence do you have that wild animals do engage in homosexuality.. .?” the internet is full of videos and articles of bonobo chimps doing it male on female, male on male and female on female. That nature doesn’t support homosexuality at all is an argument that doesn’t get off the ground. Homosexual behaviour is there in nature where humans can’t affect it. My question to you, that you are not answering, is: if homosexuallity is not supported at all by nature, as you claim, how come animals in the wild engage in homosexual behaviour if it is not natural?

    • Also, homosexuality is complicated. This is a sexual orientation and no single determinant of sexual orientation has ever been shown to be conclusive. A number of factors contribute towards it including environmental and biological. There are certain aspects of human nature that can’t be controlled. We can have all the intellect in the world but a homosexual is a homosexual. It’s not something intellect can decide. If you think it can, when did you use your intellect to decide to be straight? And can you, Julio Dokowe, use your intellect, if you wanted, to convince yourself to find another man so attractive enough to have sexual relations with him?

    • Also, homosexuality is complicated. This is a sexual orientation and no single determinant of sexual orientation has ever been shown to be conclusive. A number of factors contribute towards it including environmental and biological. There are certain aspects of human nature that can’t be controlled. We can have all the intellect in the world but a homosexual is a homosexual. It’s not something intellect can decide. If you think it can, when did you use your intellect to decide to be straight? And can you, Julio Dokowe, use your intellect, if you wanted, to convince yourself to find another man so attractive enough to have sexual relations with him?

    • I dont know if you really understand what nature is in itself? Since your information is from artificial things as you have mentioned videos and internet, all these are human production. God back to the definition I gave you of nature is.. I repeat my conclusion that “nature does not support homosexuality at all”. I hope first and second premises can be answered by you… following the general understanding of what nature is in itself, why does the woman’s vagina becomes wet when she is ready for sex? compare your answer if the same mechanism do happen in the anus. If anus naturally can function/discharge mucus as vagina does, then I would say nature does allow it since it has provided the requirements for sex. But if it does not become wet as vaginas do then it nature does not support it at all. now for female and female: why do women (lesibians) use artificial penis to enter each other? in this case you will notice that female organs are not designed to enter but to be entered. if a woman uses artifial penis to enter her friend, the action is already contradicted with its own demonstration…. note the word artificial; it is opposed to the word natural/nature. Thus if you have seen animal on videos doing homo, does not really justify that nature supports it. In the study of animal behaviour you will notice that their intelligence is limited within the five senses in which there is no reasoning. Epistemologically, only human beings have the capacity to reasoning while other animals use experience as their source of knowledge. since these animals lack intellectual knowledge, humans cannot justfy there inhumane acts just because they have seen animals doing it….

    • Humans use their intellect before making any decision… judgement is the act of intellect. judgement only happens when information is presented in the intellect and it only happens in the intellect (central senses). If intellect stops functioning then it becomes something else. when a persons want to have sex, they atleast find a hidden place to do it unlike the animals they do it anywhere because the dont have intellect to process their ide of having sex. thinking is faster than the speed of light. scientist have not discovered this yet, it is my own discovery…. To answer your question, yes I can use intellect unless I am mentally challenged…

    • You say “The natural is perceived as opposed to the artificial. It is what is free from human effort, what comes into being and run its course without benefit of man’s assistance or influence” after I have provided the evidence, which you asked for, you say “I dont know if you really understand what nature is in itself? Since your information is from artificial things as you have mentioned videos and internet, all these are human production.” what the videos and articles are recording what is happening in nature. Humans aren’t influencing these animals to have sex. They are doing it naturally. That is my argument. Do you get it? homosexual bevaviour in nature disproves your claim that nature doesn’t support it at all and thus your argument doesn’t leave the ground with that observation…

    • why does the woman’s vagina becomes wet when she is ready for sex? compare your answer if the same mechanism do happen in the anus. If anus naturally can function/discharge mucus as vagina does, then I would say nature does allow it since it has provided the requirements for sex. But if it does not become wet as vaginas do then it nature does not support it at all. now for female and female: why do women (lesibians) use artificial penis to enter each other? in this case you will notice that female organs are not designed to enter but to be entered. if a woman uses artifial penis to enter her friend, the action is already contradicted with its own demonstration…. note the word artificial; it is opposed to the word natural/nature. Thus if you have seen animal on videos doing homo, does not really justify that nature supports it. In the study of animal behaviour you will notice that their intelligence is limited within the five senses in which there is no reasoning.

    • the key word I am using is BEHAVIOR. Homosexuality is not anal sex only. So your argument still does not leave the ground. If nature didn’t support homosexuality there would be no homosexual behavior in nature

    • I understand your argument. It’s just shallow and lacking information (ignorant) on what homosexuality is and what counts for homosexual behaviour. You are just focussing on anal sex. Up until this debate you didn’t even know animals exhibit such behaviours. You don’t even know what these behaviours are. So animals displaying homosexual behaviour disproves your claim that it is not supported by all in nature because if it wasn’t it wouldn’t happen at all in nature…

    • So this bares a little repeating that homosexuality is not all about sex. If your argument is solely based on the sex angle then you don’t know what homosexuality is…

    • let’s define homosexuality. ‘Homosexuality (from Ancient Greek ὁμός, meaning “same”, and Latin sexus, meaning “sex”) is romantic attraction, sexual attraction or SEXUAL BEHAVIOUR between members of the same sex or gender.’

    • you are the one focusing on anal sex through your examples of wild animals.. atleast I have talked about women too… you are only focusing on what is agreeable to your mind. You have reduced the whole concept of nature to the aspect of bevaviour…

    • Julio, listen, you are frustrating to debate because you don’t respond to my points. If you took time to understand what I’m saying you would say this “you are the one focusing on anal sex through your examples of wild animals”…

      YOU are the one who thinks a wet vagina and because an anus doesn’t get wet then therefore nature doesn’t support homosexuality.

      YOU said “If anus naturally can function/ discharge mucus as vagina does, then I would say nature does allow it since it has provided the requirements for sex.”

      Clearly you believe homosexuality is all about anal sex. Clearly you know nothing about homosexuality and how it is identified in nature.

      I focused on behaviours because they bring sexual attraction which may or may not result in anal sex.

      Might point is if nature did not support homosexuality, as you claim, we would not see behaviours in animals that lead to same sex attraction in animals. Here is the main part of my argument: Animals exhibiting these behaviours in nature without human intervention or influence (as per your definition of “the natural”) proves animals are only doing what is “the natural” and your claim is false because if it was true that would not happen at all in nature…

    • Julio, listen, you are frustrating to debate because you don’t respond to my points. If you took time to understand what I’m saying you would say this “you are the one focusing on anal sex through your examples of wild animals”…

      YOU are the one who thinks a wet vagina and because an anus doesn’t get wet then therefore nature doesn’t support homosexuality.

      YOU said “If anus naturally can function/ discharge mucus as vagina does, then I would say nature does allow it since it has provided the requirements for sex.”

      Clearly you believe homosexuality is all about anal sex. Clearly you know nothing about homosexuality and how it is identified in nature.

      I focused on behaviours because they bring sexual attraction which may or may not result in anal sex.

      Might point is if nature did not support homosexuality, as you claim, we would not see behaviours in animals that lead to same sex attraction in animals. Here is the main part of my argument: Animals exhibiting these behaviours in nature without human intervention or influence (as per your definition of “the natural”) proves animals are only doing what is “the natural” and your claim is false because if it was true that would not happen at all in nature…

    • Let me put this is syllogistic form: (1) if animals in the wild didn’t exhibit homosexual behaviour then the claim that homosexuality is not natural would be true. (2) Animals in the wild exhibit homosexual behaviours. CONCLUSION: Therefore, the claim that homosexuality is not natural is false. There you go.

    • Let me put this is syllogistic form: (1) if animals in the wild didn’t exhibit homosexual behaviour then the claim that homosexuality is not natural would be true. (2) Animals in the wild exhibit homosexual behaviours. CONCLUSION: Therefore, the claim that homosexuality is not natural is false. There you go.

    • “You have reduced the whole concept of nature to the aspect of bevaviour” I have not. I am saying behaviour is a part of it. We are talking about nature and homosexuality and whether it is natural or not. Behaviour is a major aspect of homosexuallity and It’s pressence in nature disproves your claim that it is not natural. Because if it was not natural then what in the world is that behaviour doing in nature if it is not a part of it? This is the question you keep dodging to levy up such red herrings

    • “You have reduced the whole concept of nature to the aspect of bevaviour” I have not. I am saying behaviour is a part of it. We are talking about nature and homosexuality and whether it is natural or not. Behaviour is a major aspect of homosexuallity and It’s pressence in nature disproves your claim that it is not natural. Because if it was not natural then what in the world is that behaviour doing in nature if it is not a part of it? This is the question you keep dodging to levy up such red herrings

    • Chufundo, I appreciate your efforts though not convincing me at all… I think I have tried my best to present epestemological position that animals are far beyond to be compared with humans…

    • Okay let me respond to that point of yours and show why it is irrelevant. This is what you said “Epistemologically, only human beings have the capacity to reasoning while other animals use experience as their source of knowledge. since these animals lack intellectual knowledge, humans cannot justfy there inhumane acts just because they have seen animals doing it….” (1) Homosexuality is not inhuman. For something to count as inhuman it has to lack compassion and mercy. Homosexuality does not qualify. (2) I told you at the start of this discussion that what is natural is not what is humanly acceptable. (3) Humans did not invent homosexuality as evidenced by homosexual behaviour in animals. Homosexuality is a naturally occurring phenomena even in humans. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it is unnatural. You made a claim that homosexuality is not supported by nature at all… I say if it wasn’t then how come it happens in nature? It happening in nature means it is natural. That fact that homosexuality (a sexual orientation not anal sex) occurs to humans naturally is evidence your claim is wrong (4) You don’t know homosexuality. It is not an act same way heterosexuality is not an act. It is a sexual orientation. Even without sex through the anus, homosexuality would still be around… I have made 4 points. Can you please respond to them

    • Okay let me respond to that point of yours and show why it is irrelevant. This is what you said “Epistemologically, only human beings have the capacity to reasoning while other animals use experience as their source of knowledge. since these animals lack intellectual knowledge, humans cannot justfy there inhumane acts just because they have seen animals doing it….” (1) Homosexuality is not inhuman. For something to count as inhuman it has to lack compassion and mercy. Homosexuality does not qualify. (2) I told you at the start of this discussion that what is natural is not what is humanly acceptable. (3) Humans did not invent homosexuality as evidenced by homosexual behaviour in animals. Homosexuality is a naturally occurring phenomena even in humans. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it is unnatural. You made a claim that homosexuality is not supported by nature at all… I say if it wasn’t then how come it happens in nature? It happening in nature means it is natural. That fact that homosexuality (a sexual orientation not anal sex) occurs to humans naturally is evidence your claim is wrong (4) You don’t know homosexuality. It is not an act same way heterosexuality is not an act. It is a sexual orientation. Even without sex through the anus, homosexuality would still be around… I have made 4 points. Can you please respond to them

    • (1) Inhuman: not good enough for people to use or live in: extremely poor, dirty, or unhealthy (Merriam Webster Dictionary). I used the word “Inhuman” in that context. (2) since what is natural is not humanly acceptable, it follows that coitus between members of the same gender is not natural act. (i) the natural design of their sexual organs and their functions. (ii) normal act of coitus is betweem a male and female person using their specific organs (penis and vagina). (iii) in addition to pleasure hetero sexual sexual activity is also aimed at procreativity.. (3) Opus naturae est intelligentiae (the work of nature is the work of intelligence). In this regard, nature can not contradict itself by allowing activities which are opposed to its design. (4) Through your examples or evidences from animals which as depicted in the video proves that homosexuality is also an act (: erotic activity with another of the same sex [merriam webster dictionary: first use in 1892]). Person’s orientation is demostrated in his or her acts as effects of such mechanism. Therefore, homosexuality is an act.

    • (1) Inhuman: not good enough for people to use or live in: extremely poor, dirty, or unhealthy (Merriam Webster Dictionary). I used the word “Inhuman” in that context. (2) since what is natural is not humanly acceptable, it follows that coitus between members of the same gender is not natural act. (i) the natural design of their sexual organs and their functions. (ii) normal act of coitus is betweem a male and female person using their specific organs (penis and vagina). (iii) in addition to pleasure hetero sexual sexual activity is also aimed at procreativity.. (3) Opus naturae est intelligentiae (the work of nature is the work of intelligence). In this regard, nature can not contradict itself by allowing activities which are opposed to its design. (4) Through your examples or evidences from animals which as depicted in the video proves that homosexuality is also an act (: erotic activity with another of the same sex [merriam webster dictionary: first use in 1892]). Person’s orientation is demostrated in his or her acts as effects of such mechanism. Therefore, homosexuality is an act.

    • “Just because you like it, it does not mean its natural..” I never said I liked it. I find homosexuality quit disgusting. But that is no reason to call it unnatural

    • “Just because you like it, it does not mean its natural..” I never said I liked it. I find homosexuality quit disgusting. But that is no reason to call it unnatural

    • “(1) Inhuman: not good enough for people to use or live in: extremely poor, dirty, or unhealthy (Merriam Webster Dictionary). I used the word “Inhuman” in that context.” I do not see how homosexuality qualifies. The context in which this definition applies is to something like living standards. “These living standards are inhuman”. Homosexuality does not apply to this definition

    • “(1) Inhuman: not good enough for people to use or live in: extremely poor, dirty, or unhealthy (Merriam Webster Dictionary). I used the word “Inhuman” in that context.” I do not see how homosexuality qualifies. The context in which this definition applies is to something like living standards. “These living standards are inhuman”. Homosexuality does not apply to this definition

    • “(2) since what is natural is not humanly acceptable, it follows that coitus between members of the same gender is not natural act.” what I meant IS just because humans don’t accept it, doesn’t mean it is not natural

      “(i) the natural design of their sexual organs and their functions.” You can’t reduce this all to organs when homosexuality is not really about sexual organs. Homosexuality is about romantic attraction, sexual attraction or sexual behaviour. Establish any one of those and you have homosexuality…

      “(ii) normal act of coitus is betweem a male and female person using their specific organs (penis and vagina).” Homosexuality need not result into sex. Even without sex in a homosexual relationship, there would be homosexuality. Some homosexual behaviour doesn’t even involve coitus

      “(iii) in addition to pleasure hetero sexual sexual activity is also aimed at procreativity..” That is hetero sex. It has nothing to do with homosexuality. And the reason why nature gave us sex is unknown. It is pleasurable and it is used for generating offspring, yes, but why all animal kingdom started having sex in the first place is unknown. Popular theory is that it was a way to avoid deadly viruses.

    • “(2) since what is natural is not humanly acceptable, it follows that coitus between members of the same gender is not natural act.” what I meant IS just because humans don’t accept it, doesn’t mean it is not natural

      “(i) the natural design of their sexual organs and their functions.” You can’t reduce this all to organs when homosexuality is not really about sexual organs. Homosexuality is about romantic attraction, sexual attraction or sexual behaviour. Establish any one of those and you have homosexuality…

      “(ii) normal act of coitus is betweem a male and female person using their specific organs (penis and vagina).” Homosexuality need not result into sex. Even without sex in a homosexual relationship, there would be homosexuality. Some homosexual behaviour doesn’t even involve coitus

      “(iii) in addition to pleasure hetero sexual sexual activity is also aimed at procreativity..” That is hetero sex. It has nothing to do with homosexuality. And the reason why nature gave us sex is unknown. It is pleasurable and it is used for generating offspring, yes, but why all animal kingdom started having sex in the first place is unknown. Popular theory is that it was a way to avoid deadly viruses.

    • You have really wrestled with me intellectually, and I am feeling prepared for classes next monday after a long holiday… Hope to meet on another issue. You have good arguments that only those who have sat on a desk can point out loopholes; the rest can just accept. I have learnt something from your arguments though not convinced, and I have understood your points clearly. Even the homosexuals themselves do not think like you… Thanks for the good arguments, we can rest now!!!!

    • You have really wrestled with me intellectually, and I am feeling prepared for classes next monday after a long holiday… Hope to meet on another issue. You have good arguments that only those who have sat on a desk can point out loopholes; the rest can just accept. I have learnt something from your arguments though not convinced, and I have understood your points clearly. Even the homosexuals themselves do not think like you… Thanks for the good arguments, we can rest now!!!!

    • You have really wrestled with me intellectually, and I am feeling prepared for classes next monday after a long holiday… Hope to meet on another issue. You have good arguments that only those who have sat on a desk can point out loopholes; the rest can just accept. I have learnt something from your arguments though not convinced, and I have understood your points clearly. Even the homosexuals themselves do not think like you… Thanks for the good arguments, we can rest now!!!!

    • You have really wrestled with me intellectually, and I am feeling prepared for classes next monday after a long holiday… Hope to meet on another issue. You have good arguments that only those who have sat on a desk can point out loopholes; the rest can just accept. I have learnt something from your arguments though not convinced, and I have understood your points clearly. Even the homosexuals themselves do not think like you… Thanks for the good arguments, we can rest now!!!!

  99. Mutu wa nkhaniyi ndi content yake sizikugwirizana. Inu ndi zitsiru zokumwa madzi ometera ndithu. Journalism munaphunzira kuti a bakha inu? U must be very stupid.

  100. Kunena zoona a mkuche kaya mukuti a wonderful eeeehhh ndinu achitsiru. Moti simukuona kuti mwapanga advertise poem ya Mr Chiwamba???

  101. The author is completely out of order. if it is a matter of human rights then Chiwamba too has the right to express his views in his poem without being intimidation or bias. The points which chiwamba has raised are so genuine and true. This is exactly what is in the mind of most Malawians throughout the country. What Chiwamba has done is simply to speak on for the whole nation except for the few who call themselves Minority. But let me remind you that in democratic dispensation its the majority that rules.so revisit your article Mr Wonderful.

  102. The writer doesnt know the basics of developing a poem and what exactly should be talked about in the poem. Mr wonderful whichever school you went to for jaurnalism they must have taught you that journalism is not only writing constitutional stories or just looking at one side of the story. Wake up buddy the poet here is trying to express his view about the issue trying to advocate something. If you are a gay dont feel offended but know that i dont like you in that state. Poems are not just for jokes for you to laugh if you find something that goes against your moral dont come here on Malawi24 and embarass yourself.

    • Bwana
      Just the energy and effort on the piece. The analysis bestowed on it makes it a good piece.
      As for the content I appreciate the fact that the author chose not to be unapologetic to the gay agenda. A constitutional right to freedom of expression.

  103. Walemba article iyi nd gay or lesbian, galu, fisi wen wen, mw24 b serious whn postng some of thse articles, mbwelera walemba apaz “nosense, foolish”!!!

  104. I know Chiwamba sometimes gets it wrong they way he puts his ideas in the poems but ge gat a point….
    He is right that God condemns “homosexuality” as potrayed in Genesis when He destroyed Sodom & Gomorah…
    However, am not a fan or part of the “kill homos.” I feel like its inhuman to kill a gay… If we claim that Malawi is a God fearing Nation, then we have to show it by saying No!! to homosexual and do what we can to help hose practising it to stop…

  105. Sindinaonepo munthu opanda nzeru ngati emwe alemba izi, zolemba zakezo full of tyiping errors, reasoning 1/100, and amalawi24 mukuzisisa value polora anthu onga awa kuonesera umburi pa website yanu. Munthu opanda ingakhale dzina,

  106. if u r a gay mr wonderful dont citisize the poem this is a true son of malawi musakhale ngati munabadwira kwina osatengeka abale chifukwa chachuma ngati kuli ufulu musiyeni chiwamba ndimamukonda inu ndi u gay wanuwo khalani

  107. Olembawe kaya ukuti ndiwe wonderful mukhute, ulibe nzeru, umunthu, komaso ndiwe Galu. Zolemba zakozo zikuonetsa kuti iwe ukuikira kumbuyo ma gay ndi ma lesbians, Robert chiwamba ndakatulo zake anazithyakula bwino and uthenga wake siofunikira ma masulidwe. Zoti azungu ndi amene akutikakamiza u gay sukuziwabe? Nanga zoti aunt Tiwo anamangidwa nthawi ya bingu sukuziwa? Malamulo anthu amaletsa u gay uyenera kuziwa, infact wangozionesera kuti ulibe nzeru ndi umunthu. Palibe chanzeru chomwe unapangapo pa Malawi kuti anthu akuziwe.

  108. Ngati umadana ndi mr chiwamba ndiwe chitsiru kwambiri.ukamati these whites are there to remind us to follow our constitution,is homesexual constitunal right?ukufuna kuwaputa anthu okwiya eti?kapena naweso akukuthanyula kapena akupatsa bazi?ndakatulo yachiwamba ikukanitsitsa za mchitidwe wamathanyula and he has spoken for us sitibwelera mbuyo and we say NO TO HOMOSEXUAL

  109. Amwene wolemba article iyi, ngati mwapatsidwa ndalama kuti musokoneze uthenga uli mundakatulo za Chiwamba, you shld go to hell….. So you are for minority of homos, go find your own land to live where you can be freely writing such nosense….
    Bravo Chiwamba, we are behind you, Msonda and Lucias…. Uyu ngati akufuna ndalama polemba nyasi zakezi akagwere…

  110. Basi a Wonderful Mkhutche mwamaliza zimene mumafuna kukambako pa ndakatulo imeneyi??? Kodi cholinga chanu chenicheni ndikuchonga zimene ena alemba. You must know that there are always several or more ways one can use to express his opinion(s) on every concerned topic or subject. Just like when one has lost his/her relative, it doesn’t take a loud cry for one to express his/her grief. You’ve got a point in your argument if we may base it on academic or ethic grounds, but don’t you think you’ve chosen a very wrong platform to criticize the author? Don’t you think you’re attacking Robert’s work more personal? Majority of his audience doesn’t know about what a poetic language you are talking about. What matters here is how the audience can get and benefit from the main message he wanted to disseminate.

  111. Basi a Wonderful Mkhutche mwamaliza zimene mumafuna kukambako pa ndakatulo imeneyi??? Kodi cholinga chanu chenicheni ndichonga zimene ena alemba. You must know that there are always several or more ways one can use to express his opinion(s) on every concerned topic or subject. Just like when one has lost his/her relative, it doesn’t take a loud cry for to express his/her grief. You’ve got a point in your argument if we may base it on academic or ethic grounds, but don’t you think you’ve chosen a very wrong platform to criticize the author? Don’t you think you’re attacking Robert’s work more personal? Majority of his audience doesn’t know about what a poetic language you are talking about. What matters here is how the audience can get and benefit from the main message he wanted to disseminate.

  112. Mr Author, do you mean one should use a constitution to come up with a poem? No! It may also involve expressing one’s views.Your analysis also depicts ‘ignorance of the highest degree in as far as morals are concerned.You son of the devil,some day you shall know the truth and it shall set you free.shut up!!

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